We Interrogate the Former Spy Who Wrote 'Red Sparrow'

In a chilling moment (and at that place are many) in Red Sparrow, we learn that the Cold War isn't over. In fact, according to a high-ranking Russian official at a clandestine grooming schoolhouse for "dear trap" operatives, the battle simply fragmented into thousands of pieces equally the Due west got distracted by social media and shopping. While the world wasn't watching, Russia grasped power.

In Jason Matthews' book Red Sparrow, the source material for the new Jennifer Lawrence spy motion picture out this weekend, the same Common cold War enemies face each other across the frozen tundra of quondam Soviet-era brutalist architecture.

The movie closely mirrors the original book. Anti-heroine Dominika Egorova (Lawrence) is a Russian prima ballerina, whose career is viciously curtailed. To make ends come across, she'southward forced into what amounts to sexual practice trafficking, retraining at the Sparrow School to use her trunk in service to the State. In a staged encounter with CIA amanuensis Nathaniel Nash (Joel Edgerton), she becomes mired in (very) violent intrigue that threatens international security.

Directed by Francis Lawrence (The Hunger Games: Catching Fire) and written by Justin Haythe (Cure for Wellness), Ruby-red Sparrow likewise stars Matthias Schoenaerts, Ciarán Hinds, Charlotte Rampling, and Jeremy Irons as high-ranking officials inside SVR, Russia'south intelligence service. Mary-Louise Parker has a brief but devastating cameo as a corruptible target inside the US State Department. It'south a fast-paced thriller with (nigh too many) hard-to-watch scenes of degradation and torture. No spoilers here, but watch out for a couple of smart plot twists.

PCMag tracked downward writer Matthews ahead of the picture's release to observe out how his own 33 years of espionage feel as CIA Operations Officer and Chief of Station inspired his story. We spoke to him on the telephone at his habitation in Southern California. Now we could exist paranoid, only was that a click on the line earlier Matthews came on the line? We didn't enquire.

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Jason, in the great tradition of spy-turned-writer (Ian Fleming, John Le Carre, Graham Greene, Stella Rimington), you retired from the CIA and immediately penned Crimson Sparrow.
[JM] Yes, in Jan 2022, when I retired from the CIA, I started writing fictionalized memoirs about the people we'd met—my wife Suzanne was also a CIA officeholder—and the places nosotros'd known. The third novel in the trilogy, The Kremlin's Candidate, just came out a few days ago.

You lot come to the wordsmith trade honestly. Before being recruited into the CIA, you received a Masters degree in Journalism from the Academy of Missouri.
That's true. But at that place again, a career in CIA is mostly writing. Information technology's not all jumping from fast cars and called-for buildings.

Don't shatter the illusion, Jason.
It'southward true. It's a lot of writing proposals, scenarios, and then on. Essentially it's "advocacy journalism" in that you're e'er trying to convince the paymasters at HQ to approve budgets for an performance.

And so it had improve exist compelling stuff?
Exactly.

And then, as Charlotte Rampling says in Carmine Sparrow the movie: "The Cold War is not over." Hash out.
Those lines are lifted from my book. Yes, what Russia is doing now, in the U.s. and in Europe, is Putin ensuring he stays in ability.

Does he want to bring back the USSR?
No, he doesn't want to reprise the onetime Soviet Union. But he wants to stay in power by discombobulating NATO, breaking the Atlantic Alliance, and thereby weakening the U.s.a.. As you can see, he'southward succeeding. So no, the Common cold War is definitely not over.

How close to the truth is your fundamental premise of the "Sparrow School" for sexual entrapment grooming?
During the Cold State of war during the 60s and 70s, there was an University where they taught women the art of entrapment. Information technology was in Kazan, in the Commonwealth of Tatarstan.

Exercise yous know, or accept skillful reason to believe, such places still exist?
It'south done by independent contractors at 5 Star hotels in Russia these days.

In the motion-picture show there's equal opportunity exploitation, with both XY and 20 chromosomes engaged in such activity.
That's true. The men, in those training schools, were called Ravens.

Does the West nevertheless use dearest traps?
Western intelligence rarely, if e'er, used sexual entrapment. Information technology was an operating principle, in the CIA, that recruitment of a strange agent based on bribery was non trustworthy.

Allow's talk about espionage tradecraft. You're on tape talking about how to get information out of contacts and how to assess their motivation using the technique of M.I.C.E (Coin, Ideology, Conscience, Ego) and have even appeared at the Googleplex inspiring geeks to get into spycraft. Just what's upwards with the use of 3.5-inch floppy disks as a plot point in the movie? Seriously?
That is a literal case of authentic tradecraft; 3.5 floppy disks are used considering they're harder to hide. You can't take one in and out of the edifice. Larger media is meliorate to use to control access for downloading. Much ameliorate than USB wink drives.

The CIA, itself, reviewed Cherry Sparrow, saying: "In that location exists a long tradition of former CIA operations officers turning to fiction afterward they leave the agency." Equally they're clearly tracking yous, what'southward the process of ensuring you stay on the correct side of the Espionage Act which, in effect, curtails your First Subpoena rights?
At that place's a unit at the CIA called the Publication Review Board. They looked at every comma and period to make sure I didn't reveal secrets.

How long did that accept?
For Cerise Sparrow the process took about iii months, slightly less for the two others in the trilogy. I remember they got used to me. Plus, as a retired CIA officer they knew I know how to engage in negotiation.

Talking of making deals, let's switch to Hollywood now. How did the studio buy the option?
It was an amazing experience. Earlier the commencement book was published, my literary agent shopped it around Hollywood and, ultimately, 20th Century Play a trick on bought the rights to all 3 books.

Had y'all written all three by then?
No, I had only written Red Sparrow and it was in manuscript course.

What was the procedure similar, dealing with Hollywood?
In that location were some raucous telephone calls during the bidding. I said to my agent: "I idea the Soviets were tough negotiators. Merely they're nix on Hollywood."

Hollywood volition love that observation. So how involved were you with the final script for the moving picture?
I was engaged as a technical consultant. To advise on the mechanics of tradecraft.

To brand certain experienced spies didn't whorl their optics when they saw errors on screen?
Exactly.

Did you visit the product on location?
Yes, nosotros visited Budapest for four or v days and got a real center-opening await at the process of making a movie.

Lots of flick stars sitting around while they light the next setup.
Right.

What were they shooting during your visit?
We were on headphones, watching via monitors in another room, while Korchnoi (Irons) reprimanded Egorova (Lawrence) for beating up a beau student. They did five different shots around the table, running the scene over and once more. There was unbelievable attention to detail. And repetition. But neither of them missed a line.

That'south pros for you. Do y'all think the film will go far in Moscow?
I take a hard fourth dimension picturing Reddish Sparrow playing in Russia. They're all portrayed as evil; the bad guys. I happen to know the Russians are very sensitive well-nigh that.

So what's adjacent for you? Cruising around the Caribbean?
I told myself I'd take a residue afterwards the terminal book came out. But the next day I found myself at my estimator again.

More dastardly deeds of Dominika Egorova?
This one is different. New characters. Dissimilar plot.

During your operational days at the CIA, y'all too spent time in the Middle East and Asia. Then you take plenty of foreign postings diaries to plunder side by side.
My lips are sealed. For now.

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